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Post by Spencer Adams on Jul 7, 2016 13:51:30 GMT -6
So, a topic of discussion for a very long time back in the dub was the possibility of a draft.
Recently, myself and Jayson Price have been discussing the possibility of making this happen. (This would of course happen when we hit a roster size more in the 35-40 actives range, gauging the interest of some inactives and gaining some new recruits.)
Many ideas have been talked about including bringing in a hardcore and internet board title to create some different lanes for people. The idea here is to run a story where a split would make sense. This would see Jayson Price taking heavy control of one show (booking, judging, etc.) and myself to continue doing the same with the other show.
Now, there are many small details on how we make this work. The idea would be to host a huge chatroom event during an off week in UCI where me and Price are actually live drafting. (Sort of a fun little idea to get people hype)
There is more I can add to the discussion to clear up questions and this isn't a set in stone discussion, but a strong possibility given that most people are into the idea. So, now we'd like to hear a little input from you guys on the idea.
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Post by Wentworth Updegraff Jr. on Jul 7, 2016 13:55:57 GMT -6
Are you talking about two shows, because I want to go on record against the idea. I have never been to a fed, no matter how big or old, that withstood a second show. It makes people feel divided, it puts more work on everyone, and it just generally ends up killing the vibe of the fed. I don't know what experiences others have had, but like I said, I have never seen it go well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 13:56:27 GMT -6
I like the idea, but it's a tad premature at the moment. Let's get the tag division up and have a few more PPVs! Of course, recruiting is a must.
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Post by Spencer Adams on Jul 7, 2016 13:59:17 GMT -6
Yeah, we'd of course not look to really go forth with anything like this until the roster is at an overflowing size that would create unwanted clusters.
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Post by Kyle Cameron on Jul 7, 2016 14:01:59 GMT -6
I'm not TOTALLY opposed to the idea, but obviously we'd need a LOT of people to pull it off! So yeah, like Howie said wait until we get a few more months/PPV under our belts then we can revisit the idea.
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Post by Jayson Price on Jul 7, 2016 14:18:28 GMT -6
Yeah, we definitely need to stress this isn't something we'd do next week or next month or anything. We're gauging the interest in the idea now for when our roster has grown past the 40 person mark. And even then we'd have a period for people to wrap up storylines before a split happened.
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Post by Crow McMorris on Jul 7, 2016 14:26:02 GMT -6
I think it could work with the personal we have, but it's a decision for the future. Just goes to show though how successful we're been in such a short space of time to even be discussing this.
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Post by jessicabuck on Jul 7, 2016 14:58:45 GMT -6
Count me as against. I, for one, have never seen one work in e-fedding. The brands themselves would only last, at most, a month before staff realized that splitting their responsiblities was not the best decision in the world. That, or one of the guys running a brand would just bitch out, leaving so much work for the other guy. In addition, e-fed rosters fluctuate too much to keep two brands afloat. Remember, we are in peak season, but handlers drop off around September typically. I've seen feds try this idea out, and within two weeks had to do trades or bring people over because a good chunk of one brand dropped off. They did this about every week until they finally said "fuck it, this doesn't work." Also, there is the case of what happens if one show is leaps and bounds better than the other, making people want to leave the show they are on. And I don't mean that one has better results, but one is constantly, has summary matches, absolutely no segments, and no storyline to speak of while the other has that. I've seen that happen before too. One set of staff for a show was really good, while the other was lazy to the point where roster complained that it was unfair they were on the "bad" show. Not saying that that last one is going to happen, but it should be considered before segregating staff. Some people are better as team members than calling the shots.
Then you have the elephant in the room: art imitating life (that is itself not real life, either.) I've been in this game since 2001. Do you know what every fed was doing the spring when I joined? They all had a war against an authority stable. Do you know what they did THAT Summer? Every single one of them had an invasion angle going on. And finally, do you know what every fed was doing in the Summer of 2002? Having their own brand draft ...no matter what size their roster was. I think you can all guess what was going on with real wrestling during these storylines in e-fedding. I think sometimes we accidentally imitate real wrestling without really thinking about it, and who could blame us? It is an exciting time to be a wrestling fan. The draft IS exciting, but I just don't think it is something that transfers well into e-fedding. Also, I think this is a fed that is fun without splitting us up
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Post by ＤＩＡＶＯＬＯ on Jul 7, 2016 15:51:32 GMT -6
Satisfy the urge to draft by having a Price vs Spencer PPV.
Fantasy draft roster and then set up matches between them. Put something big at stake and we can see some amazing contests.
However, no to brand split.
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Post by Mr. Wright on Jul 7, 2016 16:12:58 GMT -6
Satisfy the urge to draft by having a Price vs Spencer PPV. Fantasy draft roster and then set up matches between them. Put something big at stake and we can see some amazing contests. However, no to brand split. It's a brand extension |
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Post by Gravedigger on Jul 7, 2016 16:21:52 GMT -6
So I'd like to first point out that the desire to do a brand split isn't really art imitating life in this case. About 90+% of us came from an old fed that at one point had 50 active wrestlers. We had shows with an average of 6-7 matches and each match was either multiple tag teams thrown together just for the sake of fitting everyone onto the shows, battle royals for the same reason, and finally multi-man matches. This was the case every single week for years.
Despite always being for it whenever we brought it up, I still have a reservation that I saw there and one that I see here as well: match writing. Please don't get offended if you're guilty of this or in general if you're a match writer, but at the amount of people we have now, we have trouble always getting matches submitted in a timely fashion. It was even worse at times in the old place due to some people who didn't join us here, but it's just a big concern I have.
To get to the desired amount to do a brand split we would basically have to double the roster size we have now. If I counted correctly, we have 34 wrestlers on the roster. Around 5 or so are not active and there are a couple of cases of multiple characters per handler. What are the chances if we add another 25 people to the roster that we get enough match writers to cover that?
While you guys against the idea do bring up valid concerns as well about a brand split, my question to you is what do we do if we get to the size of 50+ roster members if a brand split is a bad idea? Turn people away? Let people go? I'm not saying that that question means we should do a brand split, but almost all of us in the fed right now and since the place opened have all experienced a fed that refused to do anything with a bloated roster. Feuds, angles, and handlers suffered as a result until people would just naturally or unnaturally leave.
If a brand split is a bad idea, what is the solution?
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Post by Wentworth Updegraff Jr. on Jul 7, 2016 16:47:01 GMT -6
I'll be honest about the fact that I can't think of a good solution for that particular problem. I will say it's not a problem we're dealing with. I think we're planning for something that may not happen, when what we should be doing is talking more about HOW we're going to increase our roster IMO.
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Post by Teo del Sol on Jul 7, 2016 16:48:10 GMT -6
I agree that we could pull off a brand split!
But I also put a big asterisk next to that Statement!
First off, no draft.
By having a draft like a football game you're causing two major problems. Firstly, you're essentially ranking everybody.
If you're one of the last ones picked, it sends a terrible message to those not in the first half of picks. If we do it fairly, people's feelings will be hurt.
My alternative suggestion! Have an in-character draft, but have it instead be predetermined by people PM'ing which show they would want to be on. Membership on either roster is voluntary.
Problem 2: there is no reason to do a draft split, since there is no limit on how long shows can be.
My suggestion! Make them different. The most obvious way to do this is with the belts. One show gets the RP belts, one show gets the belts with different stipulations. The Internet belt, a word limit belt. You could even make it an NXT styled show where there's just a 3k word limit for everybody. Again, membership on either show is VOLUNTARY. Also, the world title should be on the no limits show.
Problem 3: divided roster where people don't pay attention to each other's shows.
My suggestion: weekly recap shows! Now I know some of us have access to recording equipment. We need to bring back the podcast in some capacity. This is not to point fingers but I miss the card previews lol. You'd be amazed at how much it can motivate someone to hear their match talked about or their writing complimented.
I have other thoughts, but don't want this to turn into a mega post, so I'll hold off at this point.
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Post by David Sanchez on Jul 7, 2016 17:20:01 GMT -6
Fuck it, I'm all for the idea. When the numbers are right of course. Unlike the majority here I've actually been involved in a fed where this worked perfectly but it was on a huge website that centered around CAWs for No Mercy, HCTP and the SvR series. Basically my friend Matt and I took it from a shitty little RP based fed and made it a 2 show fed like this one. We ended up with about 25 people on each show and it probably lasted a good 18 months before shit hit the fan. We had a seasonal transfer window and shit in the case of people wanting moved. wall-breaker.tripod.com/Very fucking old offsite information page. I feel it wouldn't have worked if it wasn't for the main site having so much traffic though. Still, I'd be willing to push for it. The draft was fun as fuck and we didn't even have a chat room back then. For any David Sanchez marks checking that shit out.. I was "Bullet" back then. Fuck you, I was 16. |
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Post by Spencer Adams on Jul 7, 2016 19:25:11 GMT -6
I'll be honest about the fact that I can't think of a good solution for that particular problem. I will say it's not a problem we're dealing with. I think we're planning for something that may not happen, when what we should be doing is talking more about HOW we're going to increase our roster IMO. I could say the biggest way to do such and that would be getting more of our roster onto real life Twitter. Of course, that's completely optional and up to all individual handlers, but bringing in Buck, Cane, and Exodus has really helped me see the value of that team effort in drumming up interest as well via Twitter which is really the only significant source we have of recruiting as a new fed imo. |
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