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Post by Sah'ta Thor on Sept 15, 2017 19:37:40 GMT -6
Alright folks I know I jokingly said after last weeks spurt of rapid writing and being on top of everything that I was approaching a mental crash. Well the crash happened and as I suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder ( www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder/index.shtml ) it is has been significantly worse. Now last night I passed out and slept for over 18 hours. I have been left feeling like I am an outsider here in the UCI for a couple days now. Between having 2 failed fed wide threads, no response to my bumped up feedback thread, having only 1 response to the poll I set up trying to get some opinions on changing out of my current gimmick, and having the couple of things I was asking about for help to set up my next step here in the feels like I am on the outside of the group looking into. I would like to think I have made more than one attempt at trying to get involved around here but I am just going to bluntly ask it. Do you want me to try and be part of the community or not?
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Post by Buff Mustache on Sept 15, 2017 20:28:15 GMT -6
Most of the socializing of this fed happens on Facebook. I've tried to get more action on the boards but it usually goes unsuccessfully. I don't really do Facebook so I'm on the outside too. I'm sure Spencer Adams will post the link to the Facebook page here and I think it's somewhere else floating around. One thing I can say for sure is that you are a welcome and wanted ortnof our quiet wholesome community Keep on posting threads. One of them is gonna hit and get over a page of replies.
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Post by Spencer Adams on Sept 15, 2017 20:33:27 GMT -6
Of course people WANT you to be part of the community. With the feedback threads, not everyone is going to get around to responding. That's not a knock against you, it's just that very few find the time to at all. Nothing to take personal.
As with trying to spark fed wide threads, it takes a bit sometimes imo. There's nothing wrong with being a newcomer (it's a good thing, we like new members) and your attempting to spark things and come up with ideas to push your character and others is refreshing, but it can definitely take time before people jump into it. That's not anything to do with someone OOC, it's that you're still relatively new and some people may not feel inclined to jump right away.
As with the stable thing, I'm not sure if just saying "I'm looking for people to form a stable is the right move." Stables are tough to pull off sometimes, because it takes not only someone showing direct interest in working with specific individuals, but really pushing a vision. Maybe I'm mistaken here, but it comes off a bit vague to just throw it out there without specific people in mind. People aren't as reluctant to collab and create something as some may think. If you have specific people in mind, hit their PMs, man. I could think of a few people off the top of my head who would fill out something like that quite well, but I'm not the handlers.
Personally, I admire anyone coming in with that eagerness to bring new ideas to the table, but you gotta push it and push it with a more specific vision targeted to whoever you want to work with whether as an ally or foe. Look to someone like L Verez who stepped in and immediately was hitting people up to make things happen.
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Post by jessicabuck on Sept 15, 2017 21:13:29 GMT -6
As a person who left and then came back, I thought you were totally an insider. You were one of the few people creating threads and throwing ideas to the wall to see if they stuck. And just because no one is responding doesn't mean that people don't appreciate you putting yourself out there ...because that is a hard thing to do in e-fedding. Believe me, after seeing some of the abuse I've seen in the game, it is easy to hide in your corner and not try anything new. Again, sure, your ideas haven't stuck yet, but that doesn't mean they never will or perhaps it is just a matter of having a little patience and picking choosing your spots, as well as sticking it out with your character.
With the stable thing, as pointed out above, that is incredibly tough to do as a new person to the fed. With all do respect, this game has a lot of ego in it, so when people see "I'm going to lead my stable, who's in," many interpret that as "I'm going to lead a stable, who's going to be a secondary character for me." That is an especially tough sell as someone who hasn't been around the fed that much yet. When I got invited into the Syndicate, I was personally asked. It was not apart of some cattle call. The people in the group had specifically chosen me and that felt really good.I certainly wouldn't have answered a "hey, I'm starting a stable, who wants to join?" Instead they gave me reasons on why it worked for them, my character, and, I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, what my role would be in the group. That last one was important because they didn't want me to be just "a body." They had a specific division they wanted me and angle I would come in on. That way I knew my character wasn't there to feed some person's ego ...or if it was, they were at least considerate enough to have plans for me in their ego trip. The best stables are ones with reasons and purpose and certain roles for everyone.
The best in real wrestling was Evolution because each member had their part to play. Trips as headliner, Orton as the upstart upper mid-carder, Batista as the muscle and sometime partner to the mentor in Flair. For that to happen, you need to have specific roles and specific you need to fill those roles Also, you need to understand what the bigger picture is for the group. Is it world domination like the NWO or is it merely to point to your dick and have pointing to your dick like DX? Is it to create clean family friendly content or is it to rule others with a corporate iron fist? None of that was ever outlined in your stable idea.
Whenever I went to others about forming a stable, here is ALWAYS what I did: I would choose a person that I thought would be a good figurehead/leader and say "hey, I want to do a stable, but I think my character is best as a mouth-piece and not exactly a leader. Do you want to get something going?" It is always a more sincere sell if you are pitching that someone else leads because if you NEED to be the leader, you probably aren't putting it together for the best of reasons. Then you get with that person and you talk about what your ambitions would be and what members you think would work and what roles they would play. That method typically works for me and people are enthusiastic.
But yeah. Don't get discouraged. You are being bold and people notice that ...even though they might wait a bit until the character establishes themselves. Also, the best way to interact is the on board "twitter" we have here. You might want to try utilizing that a bit more with individual handlers instead of hoping that they would respond to your fed wide posts.
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Post by SHADOWLOVE on Sept 15, 2017 21:15:10 GMT -6
Like I've said before, I think Sah'ta Thor Is one helluva character. I agree with everything that Spencer and Jessica has said. I am probably guilty of not responding to most threads OOC and IC, but that doesn't mean that everyone, including myself, isn't paying attention to what you have been saying in your threads.
You are still in the establishing your character phase and that can be frustrating, it took me a while to establish Shadowlove even though I was part of a core of individuals that people knew from our prior organization. Even though Shadow is "established", I still tinker with his character every now and then, and try something that I've never tried before, sometimes it works and sometimes it falls flat, but that never stops me from trying something new to improve my character.
You are a part of this community as much as I am in my opinion. Just keep on doing what your doing in the threads and people will warm up to you soon enough. You have definitely shown initiative for a newbie, more so then I did when I first started. Don’t let the silence of the UCI threads get to you, it livens up in spurts, just stick around and have some fun and see what happens down the road.
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Post by Gravedigger on Sept 20, 2017 10:06:16 GMT -6
Alright folks I know I jokingly said after last weeks spurt of rapid writing and being on top of everything that I was approaching a mental crash. Well the crash happened and as I suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder ( www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder/index.shtml ) it is has been significantly worse. Now last night I passed out and slept for over 18 hours. I have been left feeling like I am an outsider here in the UCI for a couple days now. Between having 2 failed fed wide threads, no response to my bumped up feedback thread, having only 1 response to the poll I set up trying to get some opinions on changing out of my current gimmick, and having the couple of things I was asking about for help to set up my next step here in the feels like I am on the outside of the group looking into. I would like to think I have made more than one attempt at trying to get involved around here but I am just going to bluntly ask it. Do you want me to try and be part of the community or not? Ok, so I don't know you and I'm not up to date on things here in the U as of late, so I may be off base on some things, but I feel my opinions are going to be generic enough to be fairly spot on regarding a couple of things you said. Feedback Threads/Polls - Most feds don't have feedback in general and even with the ones that have their own boards for this, you're not always going to get a response. Sometimes people are lazy, sometimes people don't have time, and other times they don't give a shit enough to give feedback. It's not a knock on you and it's not a knock on them. Although people will point out that they have a great community and they love each other and all that, when it comes down to it in the end, this is a competition and people are not always going to go out of their way to give you feedback, which could help you improve which would make you better than them. I honestly feel that whether people want to admit that's true or not, it's actually true for about 90% of people who participate in e-wrestling. They want to be the best and don't want people to be better than them. This fed's "sister fed" had a Feedback Board, too. Between both feds, I can count on one or both hands the number of people who consistently give others feedback. That's over the course of 15 years in the other fed. As for whether or not people want you to be part of the community or not, I can solve that by asking you this. How often do you get in trouble with the mods or get into huge drag out fights and drama with other members? UCI has a good many people that I don't know at all, but I know the vast majority of the core group from 1-8 years depending on the person. They will let you know if your'e not wanted. You won't have to ask.
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Post by Preecha Kamon on Sept 20, 2017 10:14:50 GMT -6
Alright folks I know I jokingly said after last weeks spurt of rapid writing and being on top of everything that I was approaching a mental crash. Well the crash happened and as I suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder ( www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder/index.shtml ) it is has been significantly worse. Now last night I passed out and slept for over 18 hours. I have been left feeling like I am an outsider here in the UCI for a couple days now. Between having 2 failed fed wide threads, no response to my bumped up feedback thread, having only 1 response to the poll I set up trying to get some opinions on changing out of my current gimmick, and having the couple of things I was asking about for help to set up my next step here in the feels like I am on the outside of the group looking into. I would like to think I have made more than one attempt at trying to get involved around here but I am just going to bluntly ask it. Do you want me to try and be part of the community or not? Although people will point out that they have a great community and they love each other and all that, when it comes down to it in the end, this is a competition and people are not always going to go out of their way to give you feedback, which could help you improve which would make you better than them. I honestly feel that whether people want to admit that's true or not, it's actually true for about 90% of people who participate in e-wrestling. They want to be the best and don't want people to be better than them. This I will disagree with. Here in UCI, I don't think anyone actively withholds feedback so people don't advance. Most everyone here likes to help people out when they can. I think most people just can't get to feedback for the reasons you mentioned, not having the energy or time to give it. We aren't cut throat here and we want people to grow. The difficulty is one needs to be in open communication with people. It is difficult but I think if you build a working relationship with someone, have a more give than take attitude, certain things will come your way. It is a thing that takes time, but if you are open minded and if you are here more for the people and less for the winning, you will have a much better time at getting something from the community.
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Post by jenson on Sept 20, 2017 13:35:15 GMT -6
From my POV - I miss a lot of the feedback thread stuff because I'm either working on the code for the site when I'm on or writing an RP/seg. So I don't participate in the threads, not because I don't want to but because I work a full time job, get home at 7 and only have a few hours to do what I need to on the site and/or write my own stuff. Otherwise I'd be all over feedback because I want to see EVERYONE in this fed have fun.
This fed is not the usual ego trip "I gotta be better than you so I'll do whatever I can to." Hell it's why Kidsgrove won a belt and then promptly "got fired" when I realised that we could tell a good story with the NBW stuff.
So a lot of us are in the same boat. I put two feedback threads up when I created Kidsgrove, I got 2 replies. One serious and one not so much, I've been here since the first show. It happens, you just gotta take your time and not take it personally when people don't give you what you need.
Ultimately though, it's up to you whether you feel like you fit in or want to fit in. Everyone here is more than welcoming. Sometimes it just takes a little time to build those relationships so you can see it though.
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Post by Bonnie Blue on Sept 20, 2017 13:53:36 GMT -6
I find myself giving feedback in chat and personal messages more often than on the boards.
Let's also not forget that feedback beyond "Yeah, I like your shit, bruh! " is time consuming and requires a bit of thought. Sometimes it's difficult to pinpoint what, as a reader, impacted me most or why.
Sometimes there's not really any constructive criticism to give. You and your opponent both write a good rp, but the other person wins, it may have nothing to do with you, your writing, your character, or your story. All it means is that the other person fulfilled the parameters of the roleplay more accurately.
You'll do better asking specific people, too. If there's someone who's opinion you really want, ask. Worst they'll say is "I don't have time rn." But be sure you want the feedback, and even if you don't agree with what they say, thank them and move on.
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Post by Gravedigger on Sept 20, 2017 14:20:58 GMT -6
Although people will point out that they have a great community and they love each other and all that, when it comes down to it in the end, this is a competition and people are not always going to go out of their way to give you feedback, which could help you improve which would make you better than them. I honestly feel that whether people want to admit that's true or not, it's actually true for about 90% of people who participate in e-wrestling. They want to be the best and don't want people to be better than them. This I will disagree with. Here in UCI, I don't think anyone actively withholds feedback so people don't advance. Most everyone here likes to help people out when they can. I think most people just can't get to feedback for the reasons you mentioned, not having the energy or time to give it. We aren't cut throat here and we want people to grow. The difficulty is one needs to be in open communication with people. It is difficult but I think if you build a working relationship with someone, have a more give than take attitude, certain things will come your way. It is a thing that takes time, but if you are open minded and if you are here more for the people and less for the winning, you will have a much better time at getting something from the community. I meant people in the fed in general, not those who normally leave feedback. I honestly believe there are people even here in UCI who wouldn't leave feedback (at all for anyone) for that reason. I have no examples to give, I'm just saying it's a part of being in a competitive environment no matter how solid you believe the community is. Cutthroat environment or not, it's just human nature. To be fair, I think those people are rare.
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